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April 2002

Here's a selection of the best emails I received in March - Bob

Hello Bob,
can you tell me what Steve Kindon the ex wolves/Burnley is doing now, also Dave Thomas the ex QPR winger . Can  you also confirm that Gordon Taylor the PFA chief executive played for Blackburn/Birmingham?

thanks,    yours sincerely Dev

I don't know where Dave Thomas and Steve Kindon are at present but I'll ask on the site to see if anyone else does. And yes Gordon Taylor is the Blackburn / Birmingham  (Bolton and Bury) player. In fact he's on my site under Bolton Wanderers.   Cheers   Bob

I believe there is a statue of Denis at Old Trafford. I was wondering if you had a picture could you please e-mail it to me? Thank you.
Mike.

I still haven't seen this myself, is there someone who can send more information ?

Hello Bob,
Stuart here again.  I e-mailed you a couple of months ago when I first discovered your 70-71 website.


Now that I know you're a Leeds fan, I thought I might pass on a few thoughts I have long held about your side's glorious past.   First of all, the media presentation of Don Revie's team - what the hell was all that about?  Although I'm a Scot up here in Edinburgh, I couldn't help thinking they were treated shamefully, and I quickly became a Leeds "moral" supporter. 

You would think Leeds, when they really emerged in 64-65, would have been seen as a welcome change from the Liverpool, Manchester and London clubs in the limelight at that time.  But the media just didn't see it that way. And just how many times were Leeds robbed of a trophy?  I can think of at least 4 occasions when dodgy refereeing decisions cost them one league title, one UEFA Cup, one European Cup and one FA Cup final place. 

The thing is, I just hate to remind any Leeds fan of all this, because I know the wounds must still run deep!
  Did you watch the "Match of the 70s" series a couple of years ago?  It was great apart from one thing - Dennis Waterman's (script) comments on Leeds.  During the series we heard him say, "Leeds - the old enemy", "Once again Leeds had too many tricks up their sleeve" and Leeds winning another match was "all too familiar".  He was so biased it was unbelievable!

 And then, to top it all, when the series reached 1977, Don Revie was crucified for doing you-know-what.  Personally, I don't blame Don Revie for leaving the job.  He gave it his all, but the media was heavily slanted against him right from the start.


but anyway, that's all history, as they say.  I now think Leeds have a cracking young manager with a great Revie disciple at his side. Could well be on the verge of something great here!   I'll be watching with great interest from up here.  Best of luck!  

Stuart Saunders

Excellent stuff Stuart. This may not have been meant for the website as such, but 1) I wanted to share it with everyone, and 2) I forgot to reply at the time, so this might make up for that !

Dear Bob ,

hope you can help, while on holiday I met Donald Gillis who played for Bristol City in the early seventies, he won a single scottish cap and was transfered from Morton.

Me being a West Ham fan,we spoke about the players he played against.Billy Bonds, Trevor Brooking, Frank Lampard. 1970/1 puts the teams in different leagues, perhaps he played 71/72/73, I cant find any other site dealing with 1970 footballers, any ideas, thanks.
                                                                                                                    Graham

Hi Graham, no there is a severe lack of 70s football sites, I agree.  

If I could find a picture of Don in his footballing days, I could give him his own page on the site.

Don was 19 in 1970, so he would have been playing football in 70-71, though he didn't play in the Morton first team that season. He did not move into English football until 1973 when he was a part of the great Bristol City side of the mid-Seventies.

He played 200 League games for Bristol City scoring 26 times.
 

His Cap was with the Under-23's. His only other club was Bristol Rovers, who he played for 80-82 season. I'll have to trace his whereabouts in 70-71...!

Just typed in 'Ken Wagstaff' and delighted to find this entry.  

I was a pretty decent player myself and I have been watching football for longer than I wish to admit, supporting Mansfield Town and Nottingham Forest for over 40 years.
 

During this time I have seen many, many exciting players with these teams:
  Peter Morris, Mike Stringfellow, Gordon Hodgson, Kevin Bird and Duncan McKenzie (yes - the one and only - he was on loan twice) among many others for the Stags.  

Dick Le Flem, Ian Storey-Moore, Joe Baker, Duncan McKenzie (again!), John Robertson, Tony Woodcock and Stan Colleymore for the Reds.

But none of them compared with Waggy, he was simply the greatest! Just ask anyone who saw him play for the Stags or Hull City - we all loved him! I know it sounds 'over-the-top' but I would go as far as to say that he was the most talented English player I ever saw - for any club!

He was a superior version of Paul Gascoigne, incredibly skilful with both feet, powerful - but able to score goals for fun and show great respect for the game he loved. His temperament and sporting behaviour made Gascoigne look like a boy compared with a man. He always played the game as though he loved every minute of it, with a cheeky smile and a friendliness which was a great credit to his wonderful personality.

He could dribble like Stanley Matthews but was never greedy - most of Roy Chapman's and Chris Chilton's goal came from his pure genius. 
When Chilton joined First Division Coventry City from Hull he never really made it - they only bought the lesser half of a great double act! 

I cannot ever recall Waggy being booked for a foul or arguing about a decision - he must have been a ref.'s dream - just like Paul Gascoigne! - remember his antics in the 1991 FA Cup Final?  


What a pity he didn't join Spurs, Manchester United, Forest or Derby. Under a certain Mr Clough he would have gone on to play for England many times - indeed he should have been in the 1966 World Cup team - he made Roger Hunt look like a Sunday morning player!
Cloughie did indeed try to sign him for Derby after he turned them inside out in an FA Cup tie at the Baseball Ground - but Hull City wanted a king's ransom for him, even though he was well into his 30's by then.  

Yes - Wagstaff was the greatest! Long live Waggy - the King!

John Wilson

What a great email, thanks for that, John. I never saw him play in the flesh, but the way you write about it I'm prepared to believe every word !!!  

Re: He was a superior version of Paul Gascoigne

Great quote that one !

Thanks for that

I've just found an article about him on the official Hull City website
http://www.hullcityafc.net/ (Past Players) - even more hyperbole than I could manage!

I quote: 'Injury would finally catch up with him however and a cartilage operation which saw him sit out a large portion of the 72/73 was the first signal that Waggy was descending from his seat with the Gods to join the mere mortals of professional football'

John Wilson

Thanks again, John

Hi, Bob  don't know who the hell you are but I discovered your site by
accident .  It is just what I've looking for ' so much info about my  idols of
yester year.                   

Thanx for doing what you do.

All the best

Bill Birch.

Cheers Bill - it's always good to get some positive feedback, thanks

Hi, great website. (Thanks !- Bob)

Can you possibly help me? Can you tell me who was the nominated England substitute for the 1966 World Cup Final, but never played on the day.

I desperately need the answer to help me complete a sports Quiz.

Thanks

Chris Tuzinkiewicz

Well, Chris, I presume it was a trick question, because in the 1966 World Cup there were no substitutes.

Bob

In what year were substitutes first used in league football?

Cheers

Bob (Brooks)

Hi Bob, 1965-66 - Keith Peacock of Charlton Athletic was the first ever substitute on 21 August 1965.

Hi Bob  

Can you please answer two questions to settle a bet?

What year did the 4th Division of the football league commence and were Wolves in the 4th Division before Hull City?

Regards


Alan Eaton

Hi Alan, the first 4th Division season was in 1958-59. Hull City's first season there was 1981-82, Wolves didn't go there until 1986-87.

Dear Mr.Dunning,

I have looking around for quite a while for someone who have some info on football history. I first became a fan of the game around 1966 West Ham became my team and to this day I still support them.

As a youngster I have memories of reading the Sunday newspapers looking at the match reports the photograhs league tables etc. On Sat night I would stay up to watch match of the  day, with Ken Wolstenhome. My first season as a full fan was the 1967-68 season, so any books videos or info would be very welcome.

I do have the 'Match of the Day' video of the sixties but that is just a broad sweep, what I would like to find are videos from Star Soccer, I believe it was the forerunner of the 'Big Match', commentators if my memory is correct was by Peter Lorenzo then later Hugh Johns

Most notably I remember games being shown during 1967-68 were Fulham v West Ham, Spurs v Man Utd, Chelsea v West Ham (both games), Arsenal v West Ham, Fulham v Liverpool (George Cohen's last game through injury).

Once the 'Big Match' started I used to love watching it with my fave commentator of all time Brian Moore. The 1st season for BM was 1968-69 I would dearly love to see some of those games again, if you have any idea of where how who from I would be grateful

Also are there any books available that have all the old 1st Division results scorerers line-ups say from around 1960- onwards.

 Thank you for your time, sincerely, Richard Stevens.

Hi Richard, good to hear from you. Perhaps you can start the 67-68 website !!! I have listed some of the places that do sell memorabillia at :

http://ds.dial.pipex.com/bob.dunning/links.htm#commercial .

In particular http://www.soccer-books.co.uk/ has a lot of the books with football statistics and videos. Their off-line shop has many, many more interestring things than their on-line store. Also the auction sites have many amazing memorabilia.

Maybe someone reading this will be able to help you out with the 67-68 videos you are after, but I don't think they have ever been made commercially available.
 

Anyway, stay in touch it is good to find another fan of the era.

(Also see FAQ and Commentators)

Sir.

I am in the process of writing a fictional novel - as yet untitled - covering the period from 1962 through to 1970. It's about the Cunningham family who live in Potters Bar, Herts.

But the question is I'm trying to get hold of some information relating to the above mentioned seasons, as both the father and son are regular attendees at Chelsea FC matches, and ideally I would like to know where it is possible to get hold of details (eg fixture lists et al) for the seasons in question.

Any information would be muchly appreciated together with anything else you may feel relevant. Many thanks

Ian Fuller

Do you know the nice thing about this website is I get previews of novels, books, films and football documentaries. Admitedly the previews are at the 'ideas' stage,but still ! Anyway, Ian, the site you need is at http://www.silverstone.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Chelsea/frontpage.htm

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